I have a lot to say in response to that, Sarah, but most of it doesn't belong in a thread about the war with Iran. Maybe you could write an article expressing your views and this discussion could take place there. Carl, nuclear war isn't the only kind of war that kills innocent people. Israel DOES have our extreme consent to operate outside the limits whenever it wants, especially in the case of military action against other populations in the Middle East. If you don't think so, I'd like to remind you of the crisis in Lebanon not so long ago. The same "safety net" you speak of is the one that allows Israel to perform actions that would be immediate grounds for a "pre-emptive strike" were they Iran's. Let us say it is more of a boon than a bane for the Zionist militarists.