Good point Isaac. Also, Ben, when you say: "I don't understand how being against the idea of a Jewish state is not being against Jews." You're missing the entire point of Shara's and my argument. We are in no way, shape or form against the idea of a Jewish state and neither of us have said anything to that effect during this discussion. I am strongly against the Jewish government, and I do feel a good deal of frustration when interacting with individuals, Jewish or not, who support Israel's actions in Palestine. But it has nothing to do with their religion or ethinicity, and everything to do with my impulsive reaction to support for genocide. This "anti-Semitic" argument needs to be put to rest, or this McCarthyism will continue to make even the most supposedly "liberal" of presidential candidates (coughObamacough) conform to this disgusting norm. To recap: vote Dennis Kucinich in '08.