Kumars, You're being blatantly hypocritical here. You said, "we are in no way, shape or form against the idea of a Jewish state and neither of us have said anything to that effect during this discussion," and followed it immediately with, "I am strongly against the Jewish government." How does that make sense? And you completely ignored Ben's point, which is that whether you realize it or not, anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli sentiments often go hand-in-hand. You can't just say that our argument (which we never actually tagged, "anti-Semitic"--everyone there is a Semite, regardless of religion) is wrong if it's how you are making us feel. What's more, I'm truly disappointed that even after offering my own movement to see each other's points, you guys are not only refusing to cooperate, but also stepping up the assault. Please just listen to what we have to say instead of refusing to acknowledge our own sentiments.