I think that in this debate I have noticed that many people who are Pro-grinding are also Anti-Chief. I feel that these are very similar issues. They both involve actions that are not directly harmful to peoples safety or physical wellbeing. They are both activities that would be considered by some as offensive. My point is that I think some people are making hypocritical arguments. The argument that people (i.e. parents/faculty) who don't like the grinding don't have to go or don't have to participate is the same as saying that people who are offended by the chief should just ignore it because it doesn't affect them. Without weighing in on whether they are both right or both wrong I do think that it is irrational to support one and not the other. Just a little idea I thought I would throw out since it seems to me that people are not thinking about this objectively but rather based on their own wants and desires.